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30 June 2007


A writes July 10, 2007

FYI I heard from Radar's managing editor Leigh Ann Boutwell. She wanted 
to run this photo of you at 1/4 a page in their September issue: http://www.mccullagh.org/image/12/john-young-cryptome.html I denied her request. (I don't think it's that great a photo and would
not be flattering when used in a magazine -- my fault as the
photographer, of course, not yours as the subject). I said they could use this photograph, which shows off your handsome mug
much better (and is more mysterious as well): http://www.mccullagh.org/image/d30-23/john-young.html I haven't heard back. ----- 4000 images Shallow Hal Radar won't use. Nor these carefully left out: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=131815&page=1 Most of which are here: http://eyeball-series.org Other staged trash pix:
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John Young stands in the doorway of his home he recently opened to an unannounced visit by FBI agents, Monday Aug. 16, 2004, in New York. Young, an architect, operates a website that "publishes documents forbidden by governments worldwide." Young caught law enforcement's attention after he tried to expose gaps in national security through his website. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)

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John Young display a website he operates from his home in New York, Monday Aug. 16, 2004. Young, a 68-year-old activist says the government has been monitoring a Web site he runs ever since the agents visited late last year. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews)


-----Original Message----- From: John Cook [mailto:JCook[at]radaronline.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:31 AM To: Subject: RE: John Young Thanks again for agreeing to answer some questions via e-mail. As you may know, I met your father for drinks late last month, and we talked for about two hours. Since then, he's apparently decided that he's already said all he wants to say to me. So you can be very helpful to me in making sure that I accurately report some basic biographical details that I can't confirm through him, as well as, I hope, help give me a better sense of what kind of man he is. So here goes, starting with the nuts-and-bolts biographical stuff: 1) As I understand it, you've got three other siblings, all from the same mother, and John has no other children--is that correct? 2) What was your mother's name? 3) When did she die? 4) Is it correct that she died of cancer? 5) As I understand it, your father has married three times: Your mother, xxxx, and Deborah Natsios. Is that correct? When did he marry xxxx? When did he marry Deborah (he's written that they met in 1993)? 6) Your father told me he grew up in West Texas. Do you know where, precisely? 7) What did your father's father do for a living? John told me he came from a very poor background. He described his parents as "marginal people." Can you describe them for me, and tell me a little bit about their lives? 8) How would you describe your dad as a parent? Was he doting, demanding, absent, smothering? Did he let you watch TV? What kind of household did he run? I ask because he's so resolutely anti-authoritarian, I wonder what kind of authority figure he is as a father. 9) What did you think when he started Cryptome? Was it, "Oh, Dad, you and your crazy ideas!" Or were you proud? Did you think it would become, as one person put it to me, "the Google of national security"? 10) Why do you think he does Cryptome? I know why he started it (to post documents that the Cypherpunk list members wanted to leak to the internet) and what motivates it politically and, sort of, aesthetically (a loathing for secrecy). But a lot of people would have forgotten about all that after the first FBI visit. Why does he keep it up in the face of the potential risks? Why does he devote so much time to it? 11) Your dad told me that he's "a pretty fucking angry guy." Do you think that's true? Why? 12) What was his relationship like with Deborah's father, xxxxxxxx? Were they close? Did xxxxxxxx know about Cryptome, and what it does? If so, how did he feel about it? 13) How old are you? 14) What do you do for a living? 15) Do you share your father's ideas about secrecy, that all spies should be exposed, etc.? Or do you disagree? That's all I've got for now. Thanks a lot for your help on this. Your father is a fascinating man. Best, john -- John Cook Senior Writer Radar Magazine www.radaronline.com (212) 803-6817 (773) 919-3832 (cell) 216 E. 45th St. 6th Floor New York NY 10017
-----Original Message----- From: John Young [mailto:jya[at]pipeline.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:41 AM To: Subject: Re: Radar Magazine - John Young You are likely to be trashed by Cook, under guise of trashing me and Deborah. He'll appear to be grateful and appreciative and then screw you for falling for his scam. That's what Radar does to get people to talk to them, let them into their private thoughts, encourage the belief that you are outsmarting them. My advice is to just ignore him for he is sandbagging most of the poeple he's talking too, claiming so and so already told him such and such so no need to worry about what you tell him. He'll use selected parts of what you email, he'll forward you email to others to get them to write or talk, including sending it to family members. He will quote you, me, Deborah, friends of ours and relatives, to get them to respond or deny or get angry, tell them a mixture of truths and lies, seduce them and betray them. I spoke with him for two hours and that was the pattern. I told him truths and lies, attacked him and Radar, said I wanted nothing to do with people like him, har har, and his vile magazine. That heated his blood, for he recognized a fellow trasher and publicity seeker. Nothing about this technique is different from all those who peddle trash, news, comedy, religion, whatever. I do the same on Cryptome. And I'm on the trail of Radar -- Cook is the second Radar writer who has inteviewed me, and I sicked him onto the other writer by telling Cook secrets about his competition. Expect to abused and hurt by the process if you want to join the nasty fun. But what else gets us off the addiction of self-abuse.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Image John Young Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:16:14 -0400 From: Stacey Pittman <spittman[at]radaronline.com> To: I am doing the photo research for a story that John Cook is working on with John Young.  I was wondering if it would be possible to license the attached photo for publication in RADAR magazine's September issue?  Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you. Best, -- Stacey Pittman Art & Photo Assistant Radar Magazine 216 E 45th Street New York, NY  10017 Office:  212.803.6798 Cell:  646.361.6917
To: John Young <jya@pipeline.com> Re: [Fwd: john young / cryptome] Should be your call, your photo, as you wish. I'm not cooperating, instead raising a ruckus. John Cook is hounding my family, friends, relatives, whoever will talk to him caught unaware of Radar's intention. Fair enough, I guess I'd do the same, maybe I have been, by golly, I have been doing just that.
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:57:20 +0100 To: "John Cook" <JCook[at]radaronline.com> From: Subject: Re: Reporters Inquiry From Radar Magazine Re: John Young / Cryptome 20 June Dear John I do indeed know John Young and have done for quite a few years.  He's a very open person with a great project and such impressive articulacy such that I would doubt whether any quote from me could better one he would give you himself. His place is a short hike to the other side of the Park, and you can go see where Cryptome happens for yourself.    He doesn't bite.   Give him a ring and get the lowdown and highside from him, I'm happy to comment, but there is no-one better to give you the details than the man himself. Best wishes, and say hi to xxxx. At 20/06/2007   23:19, you wrote: >Mr. > >My name is John Cook, and I'm a reporter for Radar Magazine. I'm writing at >the suggestion of xxxx. I'm working on a story about John Young and >Cryptome, and xxxx suggested that you may know John personally and be able to >tell me a little bit about who he is, what drives him to do the site, etc. > >If you have a free moment, I'd love to talk to you when you get a chance. Is >there a good time to reach you? > >thanks, > >john >-- >John Cook >Senior Writer >Radar Magazine >www.radaronline.com >(212) 803-6817 >(773) 919-3832 (cell) >216 E. 45th St. >6th Floor >New York NY 10017


A1 writes:

FYI this fellow emailed me last week and then called me today. He seems like a legitimate reporter (as in, he asked questions that reporters would ask). He seemed interested in details of your personal life, such as kids, friends, hobbies, sports, and said you're not talking to him anymore. John C. also told me you suspected he was affiliated with British intelligence and weren't talking to him anymore.

Anyway, I answered questions like how long I've known you (I think about 10 years) and what I thought of cryptome (I'm a fan) and how we met (on the cypherpunks list) but not ones that seemed more personal such as whether we had any mutual friends in common. Thought you'd want to know.

-------- Original Message --------

Subject: john young / cryptome
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:20:03 -0400
From: John Cook <JCook[at]radaronline.com>

My name is John Cook, and I'm a reporter for Radar Magazine--we've exchanged e-mails before; I'm a long-time reader of the your list. I'm working on a story for the September issue of Radar about John Young and Cryptome, and I was wondering if you know him at all and might be willing to talk to me a little bit, or if you don't know him personally, perhaps you can talk about Cryptome and what it does and the role that it's played in online security issues, etc.

Is there a good time to reach you?

thanks,

john

--

John Cook
Senior Writer
Radar Magazine
www.radaronline.com
(212) 803-6817
(773) 919-3832 (cell)
216 E. 45th St.
6th Floor
New York NY 10017

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A 2 writes:

I just heard from a reporter from Radar who is doing a story on  you and Cryptome. Is there anything specific you'd like me to mention or focus on?

Cryptome: John Cook told me Radar trashes people to sell advertising. Radar's out to smear Cryptome and whoever else can be tricked into buying his spiel. We always benefit more from being attacked and smeared than being praised and flattered. Puff pieces are repulsive and breed disgust. So please attack, viciously, it'll be used to sell ads. I told the Radar reporter a smear is the best thing he could do. And also to fuck Radar, with a big smile and snot in his drink. I emailed his editor that same message, called his reporter an ignorant fool. Invited Radar to upgrade its low ambitions.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:16:29 -0400
Subject: Re: CRYPTOME--Reporter's Inquiry From John Cook / Radar Magazine
From: John Cook <JCook[at]radaronline.com>

Hi John. How the hell are you? Hope you re well. Since you re usually conscientious about publishing responses to the things you post on Cryptome, I thought it would be worth my while to point out to you that I never told you that Radar trashes people to sell advertising, nor did I say anything that could be reasonably construed as implying same. In fact, Radar does not trash people to sell advertising. It does, of course, occasionally publish true things about people and institutions that those people and institutions would rather not see published. And it does sell advertising. So I could live with Radar publishes true things that some of its targets defensively regard as trash in order to sell advertising. How s that?

However: If it s true that you put snot in my drink, a thorough trashing may be in order. Can you recommend an advertiser who d be interested in sponsoring something like that?

By the way, [x] asked me to tell you that he says hello.

Also: Why are you so angry?

best,

john

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Cryptome: Cook is sucking up to a slew of folks in the US and elsewhere gathering material for a Cryptome smear (some forward his email appeals, some call to ask who is this guy). Excellent, feed him sewage, I urge. He's got two hours of my garbage on tape. I referred him to Anthony Haden Guest (London-New York writer) who got 3 hours on tape of my crap in 2006 for a Radar story that never appeared. Well, never appeared in public; who got it can be mused. Sucking up, Guest bragged of his periodic voluntary work for MI6, and that he was suspected of being a spy around New York City (standard bar pick-up talk). I told Cook the Guest spy fantasy-reality was a story worth pursuing. Cook countered that Guest is a buddy of Radar's editor.

I told Cook he got on tape what Guest got, F1-key pre-fabricated fantasy stuff that's on Google and in the bountiful official cesspools.

Cook said he didn't have the time or interest to read Cryptome. Agreed, I said, it's off Radar's screen, so what's your purpose? He said, who are your sources, literally pusing the recorder closer to me. So I fed the tape F1.

This topic is trash.


[Exchange related to a 2006 Radar article promised by writer Anthony Haden Guest to get a 2-hour ingterview with John Young, never published.]

Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:23:27 -0500
From: "Aaron Gell" <aaron.gell[at]gmail.com>
To: "John Young" <jya[at]pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Review Material for Radar

Thanks John and Deborah. This is great. I'll be in touch, or someone from our art department will, if we need any further information.

Yours,
Aaron

On 12/6/06, John Young <jya[at]pipeline.com> wrote:

Hi Aaron,
Here's a proposed list of URLs for you to consider. Two topics have
most generated Cryptome notoriety -- naming of spies and publishing
satellite photos of sensitive sites (perfectly legal in the US say FBI agents
during visits to Cryptome).
1. Names of 276 MI6 intelligence officers -- led to FBI visit to Cryptome,
British government to attempt to have Cryptome's ISP remove the
files, Cryptome to be named "most hated website" by UK spies:
  http://cryptome.org/mi6-list-276.htm
  http://cryptome.org/mi5-verio.htm
2. Names of Japanese intelligence officers -- led to FBI telephone request
to remove on behalf of the Japanese Ministry of Justice:
  http://cryptome.org/psia-lists.htm
  http://cryptome.org/fbi-psia.htm
3. Names of 2,619 CIA sources:
  http://cryptome.org/cia-2619.htm
  http://cryptome.org/cia-2619-rc.htm (reader responses)
4. Publication of satellite photos of sensitive sites -- led to FBI visit
to Cryptome
(this was before Google Earth and Local Live were started), flattering
smear by Readers Digest:
  http://eyeball-series.org
  http://cryptome.org/fbi-cryptome.htm
   http://cryptome.org/web-threats.htm ("these websites are an invitation to
terrorists")
Deborah Natsios, on Cartome, in partnership with Cryptome, has
published her provocative reports:
1. Government targeting of dissent
  Homeland Defense and the Prosecution of Jim Bell
  http://www.cartome.org/homeland.htm
2. Citizen counter-surveillance
  Reversing the Panopticon
  http://www.cartome.org/reverse-panopticon.htm
3. Burgeoning land grab by national security industry
  National Security Sprawl
   http://www.cartome.org/nss/Natsios-NSS.htm

4. Conflict between armaments and nature in Israel
  Jerusalem Sky
  http://www.cartome.org/jerusalem-sky/introduction.htm
5. Korean peninsula discord
  Parallel Atlas, 38 Degrees
  http://www.cartome.org/parallel-atlas/dmz-intro.htm

Deborah can provide higher-resolution imagery of images
in her reports.
Finally, importantly, for promotional boost for our architectural
work which underwrites the cost of "web provocateurism," and
related bibliography:
   http://www.natsios-young.com

Regards,

John Young (jya[at]pipeline.com)
Deborah Natsios (dn[at]pipeline.com)


-- Aaron Gell
Executive Editor
RADAR Magazine
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